wow, just wow… I mean… wow

Now that is an incredibly novel idea With the amount of break-ins happening in my neighbourhood I sure could use a side table like that. It comes with a shield even, bet it would make me look like a gladiator … LOL!

hahahahahahahahahaha

-awesome.

I like that it also has a shield!

its a work of art great imagination

Yes I really wish the UK government hadn’t reduced gun crime to the tiny number it currently is. I’d much rather have my neighbourhood filled with the brand of gun toting lunatics that you get in the good ‘ol US of A.

Seriously, if you think some form of gun control is a bad thing you’re more brainwashed than you could possibly know.

the perfect table for the man with a one-legged woman in his life

guns are pointless
if you actually knew how to defend yourself the intruder wouldnt have time to see you as you whack him round the head with a bat large enough to kill the f***er anyway.

I don’t want turn this into a discussion about the US… but what the hell - I enjoy it.
How many yanks have actually responded to this taking about how useless this is against guns? How terminally screwed up is the USA if that comes to so many minds? WE DON’T HAVE GUNS, YOU IDIOTS! The burglars don’t have them because we don’t have them, and vice-versa. That’s why we are all a squillion times less likely to get “a cap in our ass” than you. That’s why we (the rest of the Western world who aren’t terminally paranoid) get to sleep soundly while you lot tool up as if some imaginary enemy is going to invade you! NEWS: t’ain’t gonna happen, Bubbah! Squeal! Squeeeeealll!!

Meanwhile, is it just me, or does the idea of twatting a burglar with a custom-made table leg really sound like fun?

Yanks, please…

In the U.K. it is illegal for anyone to own a gun and it is therefore quite difficult to get hold of a gun, it is also quite expensive to purchase one and purchase ammunition.

The majority of people who break in to homes are drug addicts. They are living in squats, they have no possessions but the stinking, piss stained clothes they are wearing and they want to steal your possessions to sell at cash converters or trade with a dealer for smack… Fact.

I would say that nine times out of ten this would be an adequate defence against any intruder as they aren’t going to be armed with a gun.

Gun crime in the U.K. is so low because no-one is allowed to carry a gun, gun crime in the U.S. is so high because you put guns in the hands of people not even capable of working behind the till in a Mc Donalds…

Seriously… Think about this… For example :

I walked in to a shop the other day and purchased goods from the young chap behind the counter whose value equated to a sum of £9.26. I handed the lad a £10.00 note and before he had managed to count up the change I said “I have the 26p here”… He stared at me blankly for a few seconds and then said “I’ve already rung it in the till.”.

Now, all the guy needed to do was give me a £1 coin and everything would be fine… He couldn’t grasp the concept and I made no attempt to dive in to his stupid little mind any further than necessary to make him understand, I took my 74p and left.

You think people with that level of intelligence should own a gun ?

People who can’t even perform sums which I learned before I went to primary school ?

What am I saying… Look who you elected President…

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Nice table, I can see how it might be a struggle to dismantle in a crisis but it’s a great idea and if it comes apart as quickly and easily as it looks… Yeah, I think I would buy one.

If the shield was gun proof then it’d be delightful.

The gun Proof bit is that how many people with a gun would react instantly when confronted with what looks like in the half light (not many intruders turn the lights on) a medieval Knight with a mace and shield, for added effect run at them screaming.

If you can close on them and get just one hit in, in the time it takes them to get their thoughts together, you have won.

i think its bloody brill i mean for protection it is ok but find the right spot put some padding on e.g hochy,crickit and you bash each other on a layered battlefield and toughfen up its f***ing brill well thats what i think and im ten

OK where can I buy this… i really need one.

This is a really good idea, and perfect for someone living on their own in a ground floor flat. Or of course you could the follow the route I went down. Instead of having some defensive weaponry made into bedroom furniture, I keep my glass of milk and night time book on a Challenger II main battle tank. That’s deterrence!

i understand the argument that if there are no guns no one can assault you with one. how ever there are knives. not to worry because your a ninja. but is your wife or mother. most women and/ or old people wouldn’t be able to use that kind of weapon against little ol’ me much less a crack fiend.

guns are useless unless you cant use anything else effectively to defend your self.

Well i think its a cracking idea! as a brit i would do the whole ‘gun arguement’ thing but its pretty much all covered so im just gonna say that i can imagine myself twatting sum drug crazed maniac over the head, catching his knife thrust on my little wooden shield and then tossing the evil git out of the window mwahahahaha!!!

Cliff says he would just as soon buy a gun. I think I would rather buy a good dog that loves to eat buttholes.

To: Bobbie Ozella…No, I’m not ignorant… I’m just not a victim. I hope you never find yourself in need of that little “bat”. hope your wife and kids can take care of themselves. Best of luck, swinger.
To: Renoman…I am 6′3″, 260 lbs and am a trained crowd control manager and ex-military(Army). However, I see your point. I do believe that anyone who owns a gun should be required to take the training necessary to use it properly.
To:Soup…ROFLMAO!!!
Re: The shield has +5 mana on it as well!
OMFG…that was VERY funny.

A bigger version would make a good table for pubs. An army of four bat-swinging
hooligans. Yay!

Oh… Wow…

Wow. Heh, heh. Wow.

I totally want that.

since this has devolved into a political debate

1 america became america BECAUSE everyone had a rifle and could use one so despite the fact we no longer need em to feed ourselves, fend off Indian attacks, or to run off the parasitic Brit overlords and their merc troops WE are partial to em

2 IF it was SO hard to aquire firearms in the UK WTF did it take so long to put down the Belfast ISSUE- oh yeah they all had guns too!

Another apology from America for the morons above.

I’m one of those Bible-thumpers from the feared American south. And I think responsible gun ownership is a good thing.

Trouble is, too many gun owners are not responsible. My guess is that 85% of the guns in America are not stored properly or owned by people who fully understand the danger in their midst. And don’t get me started on the idiotic concept of conceal and carry laws- as if grannies with .38 specials in their purses isn’t a disaster waiting to happen. We’re truly through the looking glass here.

I personally have never owned a gun and probably never will. I don’t hunt, I’m not farmer or rancher w/ livestock to protect, and since I’m 6′1″ 275lbs, I’m not worried about an intruder.

I don’t want to see our country adopt the UK’s gun policy, but I think we could learn a great deal from Canada where gun ownership is fairly common but gun violence is decidedly rare. I suspect the difference is how we treat our poor- most of our gun violence in this country happens among the poor.

I always thought a chainsaw would be a fantastic home defense weapon. If you think hearing a shotgun cock would be nerve wracking, think about being in a quiet house and hearing a chainsaw fire up. You’d know that homeowner was one crazy MoFo and you’d leave via the nearest exit, ASAP. This reduces the chances of any actual contact, and is probably safer for both parties. Sure, you’d have to keep it tuned up so you’re not fussing with it trying to start, but, it could also be useful around the yard.

No?

I love the chainsaw idea, only probs is im not sure i could find the choke on the damn thing in the dark, let alone turn it on in a panic situation.

I reckon your best bet is too give your ass lovin dog some prozac and caffeine pills and dnt feed it before bed time. lets see if the burglar likes that.

As for the IRA with their guns, Mr Anonymous, they were funded by Wall Street rich jerks and exported them illegally from USA cunningly hidden in ship containers. So many containers reach the shores each day that only 2% are checked.

So in conclusion to my ramble, us Brits need to check more containers, and certain American citizens need to stop worshipping guns and expecting others to do so. I expect that many of you have no idea what gunshots actually do to people, and as a member of the British Army who has seen this happen, i will assure you that it is incredibly unpleasant and the less guns there are in the world the better.

Its hilarious that these Brits actually think there are NO guns in the UK. Gun related crimes have risen in the UK over the past decade…bigtime! A lot of it can be faulted to crack, but nonetheless, there are guns in the UK. And they’re in the hands of robbers, drug dealers, and the ‘bad guys’ who you would need to defend yourself from.

You think people who use guns for crime related reasons are part of “gun clubs?” NO! They get the guns the same way every other jack ass criminal gets them…smuggled / black market (i.e. hot, serial numbers welded off etc).

You guys need to open your eyes. The days of billy clubs and fancy coats is over. The days of bullet proof vests and automatic assault rifles is here.

Its just sad that in your country(s), you have no way of legally defending yourself against someone with a gun. And no “being a sneaky ninja with your tiny club” is not going to beat a bullet traveling at 450m/sec. And if you think your government will somehow magically get rid of the guns you are sadly mistaken. The drug industry fuels the violence, which requires the guns, which comes from the trillions of dollars they make yearly. No government can stop this super power…ever. All they can do is try to feed propaganda to the public to give a false sense of security.

At the risk of starting a whole new debate…

“The drug industry fuels the violence, which requires the guns, which comes from the trillions of dollars they make yearly. No government can stop this super power…ever.” - booya

Yes they can. Simply legalise most of the recreational drugs and allow people to get clean, measured doses with accurate informatin about how to take it safely.

The prohibition of alcohol in America prooved that if you ban something people want to take you create powerful, organised criminal syndicates exploiting the need. And if people who wanted to take drugs didn’t have to go to criminals to get them, perhaps less would get hooked on the really nasty stuff or die of contaminated supplies. Alcohol and tabacco are both addictive (psychologically for most when it comes to alcohol, but still, try suggesting to the average person they aren’t allowed any for a month) and kill plenty of people in related deaths (accidents and desease) yet legal. There is an argument that used sensibly weed, opium and herioin can be no worse.

Just a thought. Not a fervently held opinion.

No one says there are no guns, but if you think about it, the majority of petty criminals are not the same as the people that carry guns. Most people who are desperate enough to stoop to that level are drug addicts or poor. The drug addicts would most likely spend what money they have on drugs - I can’t see an addicted person saving money for a gun - and the poor simply cannot afford a gun. Especially since they’d be more expensive and harder to get when it’s illegal to own one.

Do you think robbers, drug dealers and gangsters/Mafia will really be bothered with stealing from an average Joe’s family home? No probably not. Drug dealers get a lot more selling drugs than robbing a home, if robbers had guns, they’d probably go for something worth more than you flat-screen tv, and as for gangster/Mafia, they’re usually similar to drug dealers, or if you’ve somehow managed to really piss them off, gun or not, you’d be a dead man anyway. It’s not propaganda, firearms, just aren’t necessary for a common citizen in a country where there are strict firearm laws.

I feel sorry for those of you who think guns are a necessity. If everyone and their mum had guns, and an armed invader enters your house. Who do you think would have the advantage here: the armed invader, or you who just woke up in a panic? Most likely the invader. And who do you think an invader will most likely fire at, a man with a shield, or a man with a gun? Probably a gun. All it takes is basically one shot to kill or seriously hurt a person; and you’re deluded if you think a bulletproof vest will protect you. One shot to a bullet proof vest would wind you, or at least make you flinch. How long do you think it takes before they fire again? Probably before you manage to fire back. Think about it, guns really don’t help at all.

You’re right, booya, that we have guns “in the wrong hands” in the UK. Gun crime is rising. However at this moment in time it’s rising in specific sectors - young blacks shooting young blacks, for the most part.

As has been said above, if someone breaks into your house in the UK then they’re likely to be looking for something they can carry easily and sell easily. For drug money. They won’t be armed. Even if they HAD owned a gun it’d be the first thing they’d sell to buy more drugs.

Personally I think most burglars are going to scarper as soon as they hear the occupant stirring. So no real need for this product.

mm now let me see, a guy is in your house and he has a gun,mmmm all you have is a poxy table which you have to unscrew set up like a gladiator and brandish it in the air to scare him off somehow i think the gun would win

C’mon, Maccadoo, read what’s written, not what you want to see. You said “a guy is in your house and he has a gun”, but don’t you see what’s being said? In a country that doesn’t have a gun culture, the guy in your house doesn’t have a gun.
Gun crime is truly rare in the UK (and most of Europe) because we’ve never seen a need for it. Your founding fathers had a lot of nasty things to contend with and thought it necessary to use guns - a lot. But the frontier days are over, and I don’t think you’re going to meet a Grizzly bear in downtown LA any more. So maybe it’s time for the US to join the civilised world and reject guns?
And yes, after 24 years in the British armed forces, I do know how to handle one.

the table should be kevlar..

I never said for anyone to get a bullet proof vest, or to run out and buy a gun. I’m saying the bad guys have the vests, and the guns now…in the UK. Gun related crimes in the UK was like 21,000 just a few years ago. Thats not a measly 4-5 isolated incidents. Granted most of the crimes are in the ghetto…whats to stop them from driving a few miles out of the way to loot someones house and get a quick buck? It happens everywhere. Guns are now easier to get in the UK - and not because of relaxed laws, but because there is a huge market there for drugs. Guns always follow drugs, and then they get into all kinds of criminals hands of every branch.

If you think mafia/gangsters don’t rob people you are foolish. Mafia from day one have done home invasions to rob people. They don’t just run one racket and stick to it…they make money every way possible.

In the end some of you guys are right. Even having a gun isn’t going to be the end all be all of protection…but this table is a far fetch. Get a can of mace to stick on top of it…

By the way, the table is nice

Hal9000 what regiment are you with? Also what rank are you? im with worcestershire and sherwood foresters.

omg.ohno jojo. you are a fuckin idiot. im not even british, but i feel the need to tell you how much of an idiot you are. There are a lot of you americans out there (im presuming youre american) who think protecting yourself with a gun is a way to go. But what are you doing in the process? You are arming yourself with a weapon that gives the guy breaking in every more reason to shoot you. even worse, kids, family members and even yourself are in no position to use the gun if you havnt been trained with it.
The American government has to much money invested in firearms, for them to have stricter gun laws would mean less profits. So even when something like the Virginia tech incident is not going to change the gun laws, for columbine didn’t. The reason these things are happening is because the majority of you are paranoid of everyone else around you.
“get off my property” —Boom—… wtf..
I agree with morgan hale. up above, who is one of those worldly americans who seems to get the big picture. A quick search on google could give you a data comparison of the number of deaths per year from america to the world.
its sad that the majority of people don’t understand the false security of guns.

“as there are too many morons out there that don’t understand the power and deadliness of a .22 pea-shooter, let alone a cannon .50 cal.”

… get a life pal…

Have any of you considered getting a dog???? You don’t need some vicious attack thing - just a reasonably loyal creature that barks at strangers in the night. If the barking doesn’t scare any attackers away then one should have sufficent warning to prepare an array of improvised defensive weapons.

Ice:

“Jeff, what works for the Swiss is not generalisable to everywhere else.”

I believe I said this when I stated that the Swiss solution is not one that would work in the Us immediately.

“Firstly, your definition of ‘real crime’ is ambiguous, is shooting someone not a real crime now? Secondly, a lowered rate of ‘real crime’ can be attributed to a multitude of other reasons. Thridly, a tazer-gun, is usually just as effective in stopping a criminal, but with less damage.”

Shooting someone is a “real crime”. In reading some of the anti-gun propaganda a bit ago, I found they were combining other crimes and calling it “gun” crime. Both sides are guilty of skewing the numbers, NRA has done straightline-averaging and Brady, et. al., have made the 43:1 claim (a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to be used to kill a family member than a criminal.)

43:1 is BS and FUD because they only count the times a home gun kills a criminal, not how many times a crime is prevented. This is skewing the numbers. NRA should have calculated using a weighted average per state.

You’re gonna have to take my word on the inclusion of other non-gun crimes, because I’ve tried to find that bit I read, and I can’t find it. It may have been on the Brady site, or might have been pointed out by the NRA.

And yes, it is possible that the crime rate lowered due to other reasons. But we don’t know for sure, even the anti-gun people admit that. I do know that Florida, where I live, has issued over 1.2 million permits, but revoked only 157 (0.01%) due to gun crimes by permit-holders. (NRA, from FDLE.) Elsewhere I read that only 5 Florida permit-holders have been convicted of a gun crime. Right after the law went in effect (before I lived here) Tourists were targeted, until the car rental companies quit making rental cars easy to spot.

This speaks volumes. If RTC laws don’t work, why did the criminals target the people that they were reasonably sure had no gun??

And using a tazer? If someone is in my home, attempting to harm me or my family, they need to die, not be stopped by a tazer, spit out by the courts and out on the street to come harm maybe you and your family. Or better yet, to sue me for any injuries resulting from the tazer. If I were to shoot someone, you can bet it’s for good reason and they they will be dead afterward.

“It’s not to protect those who are stupid from themselves, but to protect the rest of us from the stupid people.

I don’t need to be protected from stupid people, except the ones that make laws. And if you add criminals to the list of people that are stupid, they won’t obey laws anyway, so why make me a criminal for protecting myself from them?

And I suppose it’s selfish to want guns kept legal, but it’s also selfish to want a democratic form of government, a safe area to live and a chance to enjoy the freedoms given me by my forefathers. As the society I live in doesn’t appear to be perfect, and taking away my right to have a gun will leave me more vulnerable to the too many guns in the hands of criminals, yes, I want them kept legal.

For an example of the US without guns, look at Washington D.C. Highest gun-crime rate in the nation. If we were to pass laws prohibiting guns, it would indeed be a bloodbath, unless the guns in the hands of the lawless were first gotten rid of. That’s not happening soon.

This…is…..SPARTA!!!!!

Ohno Jojo:

DEY TUK ARR JUBBS

I have to agree that this table is unfortunately ugly, and suspect it is impractical as a functional table. However, I think the novelty value is fantastic. Given a redesign to look and function better - as both table and shield/club - I would be very tempted by it.

With regard to all these - some frankly risible - arguments for and against gun control, I think I can understand (despite glaring grammatical and spelling errors - don’t be so lazy, it makes you look stupid and demeans your argument) where the pro-gun people are coming from. In a situation where the majority of people carry guns - both to defend and attack - I can see where one might be unable to understand why we Brits would be satisfied with a club and shield. However, why should an intruder carry a gun, except in a situation where the homeowner might be carrying one, and shoot them at will?

Despite rising gun crime in the UK, most people should be more concerned about the knife crime, which is rising at a far greater rate - because kids can’t get guns as easily. I guess that if we had looser gun control like the US, we would have kids being shot instead, getting their hands on family owned weaponry - I’m presuming that it would have to be readily available, not locked away, as otherwise what use is it in defending your home? It is illegal to carry knives on the street, yet they do. If they could get their hands on guns, they would.

I find it incredible that one should feel the need for a gun to protect oneself and loved ones from intruders. Surely, you should look to make it as difficult as possible for them to do so, to deter them from it, not look to dish out your own sense of “justice”. This kind of behaviour only leads to litigation, especially in a society such as that in the US. Remember, that drug crazed addict you shoot dead, who actually turns out to be unarmed, has a family too. Is the value of small items in your home (the most likely to be stolen) so great as to be worth more than a lawsuit? Not to mention the grief it should cause to you, knowing you killed someone.

Lastly, I think you need to look at the division of the arguments - there don’t seem to be any violently argumentative pro-gun individuals from the UK posting, whilst the American camp appears to be divided. We’re almost all happy without guns. Why should we listen to the rantings of paranoid psychotics?

Apologies for the “paranoid psychotics” comment, I didn’t mean it to sound like I believe all the pro-gun lobbyists to be as such, merely a minority. I guess I found it a little difficult not to get carried away.

I may yet retract my apology if anyone should happen to retaliate with an argument that slots them into just such a description.

“The shield has +5 mana on it as well!”

Win.

ya ya at least it is better to have some thing than nothing because some people don’t believe in guns me my self i have three and they are 44’s so let some poor dimwit try and break in i will not pity the fool but be my luck i will be charged with attempted murder because we are suppose to stand aside will the crook takes what they want

All I have to say is..wow! I would have never thought this table would stir some international controversy. 90 comments and still counting…
We appreciate all your comments and the lively discussion.

I hate to have to retaliate Carlos, but… Oh, no I just can’t. It’d be like shooting fish in a barrel. Pun intended.